Istaris gathering information turn 1

can u describe a bit closer how to make it? i think with the ability of alatar and refreshing with staff and Rods of the Five but perhaps i overlook something.

how do u get the Deep Knowledge back? with Scroll of Isildur? or is there another option?

i would increase the A Test of Will in the blue (or make reuse possible with Dwarven Tomb ) deck but else a very good tinkered fellowship! like it. good, but not op how it should be (koff not mention the perilious-council "thing" ;) )

Thanks for your comment.

Yep with Thurindir i'm sure to have Gather Information turn 1.

With Alatar I can exhaust 2 Istaris and place 4 progress on Gather Information, it's done.

Yes with Scroll of Isildur. And I take my scroll back with Erebor Hammersmith.

Increase is impossible since I play Council of the Wise but I can play 4 A Test of Will with The White Council + Frodo Baggins + Will of the West. But why note a fifth ! :)

Ahah yes maybe a A Perilous Voyage version would be fun.

thx i overlooked 1-2 things.

and to be clear, i hate that council-voyage-thing i think this would never ever happen in the original content so simply from the start cancel the mainflaw of a powerfull contract....

but that is perhaps not an issue in the discussion of your fellowship.

o.k. why do u choose Council of the Wise here? i think there are many options without the contract (and reduce some luck dependency) specially the At the End of All Things seems to be more efficient here (e.g. additional readying for the blue)

Which contract is powerfull? Neither Council of the Wise nor A Perilous Voyage... but yeah with Beyond the Original Bargain it could be crazy.

I don't play that here ;)

At the End of All Things seems obvious with blue wizard but with all this draw it would be very difficult with resources. (without I can for exemple take the resource from Blue Staff)

I love Council of the Wise, it's not powerful but you made interesting choices throughout the game.

And here with the fast Gather Information, Word of Command and 4/5 cards per turn, I can reduce my dependence on luck.

Maybe the best would be Beyond the Original Bargain with council + At the End of All Things but I try not to be addicted to Beyond the Original Bargain which is too powerfull in my opinion.

complete understanding. Beyond the Original Bargain without restriction is the "problem" neither of the other contracts.

gather res is the reason not taking At the End of All Things because u can have staffs from turn 1.

makes sense, thx.

just a thing perhaps not very relevant but perhaps for the correctness. i am not sure you can use actions before the planningphase during setup. i think the first actionwindow is in teh planningphase. that does nothing to your strategy, but if i am right you cannot do it BEFORE the 1. planningphase. (reactions can be triggered before 1. round, but actions? i doubt, but correct me if i am wrong)

For me, you have the resource phase. The most common use is for Captain's Wisdom for exemple. But i'm not a rules specialist ;)

the first resource phase is in the 1. round (1. phase of a round), not before. (so u cannot use action in the encountersetup before the 1. round (and before the 1. res-phase, reactions like e.g. Eleanor can be used))

as i said it is of no difference for the strategy, but the wording of your description 1. line is "before" and i would say it should be "in"

Scout ahead round 1 is equally strong. Against most quests, you get a free turn 1.

Yes you are right, scout head can help a lot. Especially vs scenarios with GO cards.

another timing-issue:

how do u get the sidequest into play before 1. planningphase? Thurindir let u search and add to your hand but you can usually play in the planningphase (2. phase of a round) and not before or do you have a different soloution?

You are right it's not before the turn 1, it's during the turn 1. But what does that change? The most important is that I can, during the first planningphase, play Gather Information or Scout Ahead as suggested, exhaust 2 istaris, validate the quest and then play the card that I just went to get. (for Gather Information) Usually you need to wait T2 if the card is not an event.

it does have minor difference (and i want to be sure i had understand it complete) the planingphase is in order of the players, this means you can play the sidequest when it is your time, so in multiplayer you should be the first player else only the players after you get the benefit of Gather Information before they can play cards in the planing phase (yes i know many play without order of players in the planning in multi, but the official rules have a startingplayer and an order in the planning phase, you can take actions in the playing of cards of others but not play yourself, so the sidequest only comes into play when you are the active player).

usually it is o.k. to give the Thurindir player the starting player but there might be situations where other player want also have the starting player in 1. turn. nothing cruicial, but a thing to know and for complete understanding. if it could enter staging in the ressourse-phase (as described ;) ) that would be a difference and it would not matter who is the starting player.

Indeed thurindir's player has to be the first player. :) With Elrond and Saruman it wont be a pb.